Comments on: Mail clients and Databases http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2007/03/13/mail-clients-and-databases/ Everything about MySQL Performance Sat, 07 Nov 2009 18:35:44 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Basil Gohar http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2007/03/13/mail-clients-and-databases/comment-page-1/#comment-96362 Basil Gohar Tue, 27 Mar 2007 19:02:39 +0000 http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2007/03/13/mail-clients-and-databases/#comment-96362 Peter, I use Thunderbird on both Linux (Fedora Core 5/6/7) as well as Windows, and while I have to agree with most of your complaints, you CAN stored your e-mail locally while using an IMAP server, and check your messages while offline. I do this by going File -> Offline -> Download/Synch Now. It may take a while to download 1GB of e-mail (that's about how much I have, after deleting spam and messages I don't need to keep [e.g., forum post notifications]). I can't say it works flawlessly, because if you check your e-mail from multiple locations, like I do, you may have to this routine frequently to keep everything synched, but I haven't run into too many issues with it, and as a bonus, I can access old e-mail quickly, without a round-trip to the server to download it. Peter, I use Thunderbird on both Linux (Fedora Core 5/6/7) as well as Windows, and while I have to agree with most of your complaints, you CAN stored your e-mail locally while using an IMAP server, and check your messages while offline. I do this by going File -> Offline -> Download/Synch Now. It may take a while to download 1GB of e-mail (that’s about how much I have, after deleting spam and messages I don’t need to keep [e.g., forum post notifications]).

I can’t say it works flawlessly, because if you check your e-mail from multiple locations, like I do, you may have to this routine frequently to keep everything synched, but I haven’t run into too many issues with it, and as a bonus, I can access old e-mail quickly, without a round-trip to the server to download it.

]]> By: Peter Bowyer http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2007/03/13/mail-clients-and-databases/comment-page-1/#comment-95805 Peter Bowyer Mon, 26 Mar 2007 22:08:50 +0000 http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2007/03/13/mail-clients-and-databases/#comment-95805 Just for the record, M2 (Opera's email client) uses a database to store its messages. I've never used it properly (too many different identities which it doesn't seem to handle well) but it seems very interesting. There was a lot more innovation a couple of years back - see my roundup at http://peter.mapledesign.co.uk/weblog/archives/most-email-clients-are-obsolete. Sadly most that interested me have since gone out of production. Just for the record, M2 (Opera’s email client) uses a database to store its messages. I’ve never used it properly (too many different identities which it doesn’t seem to handle well) but it seems very interesting.

There was a lot more innovation a couple of years back – see my roundup at http://peter.mapledesign.co.uk/weblog/archives/most-email-clients-are-obsolete. Sadly most that interested me have since gone out of production.

]]> By: Andrisi http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2007/03/13/mail-clients-and-databases/comment-page-1/#comment-89363 Andrisi Mon, 19 Mar 2007 11:20:56 +0000 http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2007/03/13/mail-clients-and-databases/#comment-89363 There are several other types of applications that could use a database under the hood. Maybe someone should support this explicitly and so developers realize the potentials. I think a database sould be a part of the OS. Store all preferences, configurations, etc. Win32 registry is a nice start, but try to list the available filtypes - you'll see that a relational schema and some SQL would be much better for this. (Someday I'll make it happen :-) There are several other types of applications that could use a database under the hood. Maybe someone should support this explicitly and so developers realize the potentials. I think a database sould be a part of the OS. Store all preferences, configurations, etc. Win32 registry is a nice start, but try to list the available filtypes – you’ll see that a relational schema and some SQL would be much better for this. (Someday I’ll make it happen :-)

]]> By: peter http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2007/03/13/mail-clients-and-databases/comment-page-1/#comment-85312 peter Fri, 16 Mar 2007 11:10:07 +0000 http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2007/03/13/mail-clients-and-databases/#comment-85312 Apachez, I want to have my mail locally so I can use it without being connected to the Internet so Gmail would not work. Not to mention I do not want to use other domain for my mail. Apachez,

I want to have my mail locally so I can use it without being connected to the Internet so Gmail would not work.
Not to mention I do not want to use other domain for my mail.

]]> By: peter http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2007/03/13/mail-clients-and-databases/comment-page-1/#comment-85310 peter Fri, 16 Mar 2007 11:08:41 +0000 http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2007/03/13/mail-clients-and-databases/#comment-85310 Regarding IMAP - I've tried it for so many times but always got back to downloading email because I have not found how to set up the system so it really will cache ALL email locally so it will work without Internet connection like in the plane etc. Regarding IMAP – I’ve tried it for so many times but always got back to downloading email because I have not found how to set up the system so it really will cache ALL email locally so it will work without Internet connection like in the plane etc.

]]> By: Apachez http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2007/03/13/mail-clients-and-databases/comment-page-1/#comment-83022 Apachez Wed, 14 Mar 2007 23:39:11 +0000 http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2007/03/13/mail-clients-and-databases/#comment-83022 Use GMail, problem solved... NEXT! ;-) Use GMail, problem solved… NEXT! ;-)

]]> By: peter http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2007/03/13/mail-clients-and-databases/comment-page-1/#comment-81817 peter Wed, 14 Mar 2007 08:41:44 +0000 http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2007/03/13/mail-clients-and-databases/#comment-81817 Sure. But the point is I do not really want to remove deleted mail from "Deleted" box and if you do not do it purge does not help as Deleted seems to be stored in Inbox file really. Compacting helps if you really have few messages and large number of ones you permanently deleted. Sure. But the point is I do not really want to remove deleted mail from “Deleted” box and if you do not do it purge does not help as Deleted seems to be stored in Inbox file really.

Compacting helps if you really have few messages and large number of ones you permanently deleted.

]]> By: ChristianS http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2007/03/13/mail-clients-and-databases/comment-page-1/#comment-81747 ChristianS Wed, 14 Mar 2007 07:34:30 +0000 http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2007/03/13/mail-clients-and-databases/#comment-81747 It's a bit off-topic, peter: > I got tired of Thunderbird handling my 1GB inbox (In fact my Inbox > holds less than 1000 of emails rests are “Deleted” but Thunderbird > still keeps it in the same file) Ever tried "File -> Compact Folders" to reorganize your mailbox-folders and purges deleted messages? It’s a bit off-topic, peter:

> I got tired of Thunderbird handling my 1GB inbox (In fact my Inbox
> holds less than 1000 of emails rests are “Deleted” but Thunderbird
> still keeps it in the same file)

Ever tried “File -> Compact Folders” to reorganize your mailbox-folders and purges deleted messages?

]]> By: Christoph Schmitz http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2007/03/13/mail-clients-and-databases/comment-page-1/#comment-81394 Christoph Schmitz Wed, 14 Mar 2007 00:24:20 +0000 http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2007/03/13/mail-clients-and-databases/#comment-81394 I totally agree with you on the subject and i have asked myself the question many times. I guess part of the problem lies in the fact that most databases have to be installed as a service on the computer and hence creates a rather large footprint for the software. I guess that SQLite and solutions like that will change that in the future. Is there some other small database solutions that could fit for this type of solutions? I totally agree with you on the subject and i have asked myself the question many times.

I guess part of the problem lies in the fact that most databases have to be installed as a service on the computer and hence creates a rather large footprint for the software. I guess that SQLite and solutions like that will change that in the future.

Is there some other small database solutions that could fit for this type of solutions?

]]> By: thenexus6 http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2007/03/13/mail-clients-and-databases/comment-page-1/#comment-81364 thenexus6 Wed, 14 Mar 2007 00:16:19 +0000 http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2007/03/13/mail-clients-and-databases/#comment-81364 If we look at hosted solutions we can see 10-years-old cyrus IMAP server :) It stores mail headers in bdb, so it is amazingly fast on large mailboxes. I'm keeping my 1Gb mailbox on IMAP plus have several maillist archives (more than 1Gb) in the shared folders and sylpheed, thunderbird, evolution, outlook express work fast. Very fast. If we look at hosted solutions we can see 10-years-old cyrus IMAP server :)
It stores mail headers in bdb, so it is amazingly fast on large mailboxes. I’m keeping my 1Gb mailbox on IMAP plus have several maillist archives (more than 1Gb) in the shared folders and sylpheed, thunderbird, evolution, outlook express work fast. Very fast.

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