Comments on: MySQL and Sun - Oportunity for smaller companies ? http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2008/03/26/mysql-and-sun-oportunity-for-smaller-companies/ Everything about MySQL Performance Sat, 30 Aug 2008 00:02:02 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: peter http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2008/03/26/mysql-and-sun-oportunity-for-smaller-companies/#comment-266734 peter Sat, 05 Apr 2008 16:21:16 +0000 http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2008/03/26/mysql-and-sun-oportunity-for-smaller-companies/#comment-266734 Thanks Paul, I surely understand. If Percona continues to grow I would either need to get less involved in technical questions and so loose a grip or keep technical and hire CEO to run the company. In either case thinks would be different. A lot of things have changed already since the time We started - I spend much more time supervising, training etc than being first contact to handle the case. Thanks Paul,

I surely understand. If Percona continues to grow I would either need to get less involved in technical questions and so loose a grip or keep technical and hire CEO to run the company. In either case thinks would be different.
A lot of things have changed already since the time We started - I spend much more time supervising, training etc than being first contact to handle the case.

]]> By: Paul Vallee http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2008/03/26/mysql-and-sun-oportunity-for-smaller-companies/#comment-266508 Paul Vallee Sat, 05 Apr 2008 12:09:38 +0000 http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2008/03/26/mysql-and-sun-oportunity-for-smaller-companies/#comment-266508 Hi Peter, Don't worry, I am much harder than that to insult. I just wanted to point out the my roots with MySQL are not that shallow; Pythian's services for MySQL launched the same year you joined MySQL in 2002. That's all. If your point was that as the CEO I am not also Pythian's leading MySQL expert, well, that's true to be sure. But I think if Percona continues to be as successful as it has been of late (congrats!) it won't be true for long for you either. Cheers, Paul Hi Peter,
Don’t worry, I am much harder than that to insult. I just wanted to point out the my roots with MySQL are not that shallow; Pythian’s services for MySQL launched the same year you joined MySQL in 2002. That’s all.
If your point was that as the CEO I am not also Pythian’s leading MySQL expert, well, that’s true to be sure. But I think if Percona continues to be as successful as it has been of late (congrats!) it won’t be true for long for you either.
Cheers,
Paul

]]> By: peter http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2008/03/26/mysql-and-sun-oportunity-for-smaller-companies/#comment-266294 peter Sat, 05 Apr 2008 04:42:58 +0000 http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2008/03/26/mysql-and-sun-oportunity-for-smaller-companies/#comment-266294 Sheeri, Honestly I do not understand why you get offended so much and why do you see some superiority feel about myself ? I mentioned all top companies which I know provide MySQL Services and I mentioned Pythian, your employer among them. I chose to mention some of them are founded by seasoned MySQL experts and Pythian is not ? So what ? We can also say Proven Scaling and Pythian is lead by native English Speakers and Open Query and Percona are not. So ? Seriously when I started writing I wanted to write all of the listed companies lead by Seasoned MySQL Experts but I like to be correct to be best of my knowledge and I can't call Paul himself the one. Paul is great guy and hires great People like you, but it does not make Him MySQL expert. This is how it become "all but Pythian". Again Sorry guys if I insulted you. I would not get into even longer discussion of what I meant and how. Again please understand the phase in original blog post was to keep it correct at my level of understanding and not to say services provided by Pythian are subpar Sheeri,

Honestly I do not understand why you get offended so much and why do you see some superiority feel about myself ? I mentioned all top companies which I know provide MySQL Services and I mentioned Pythian, your employer among them.
I chose to mention some of them are founded by seasoned MySQL experts and Pythian is not ? So what ? We can also say Proven Scaling and Pythian is lead by native English Speakers and Open Query and Percona are not. So ?

Seriously when I started writing I wanted to write all of the listed companies lead by Seasoned MySQL Experts but I like to be correct to be best of my knowledge and I can’t call Paul himself the one. Paul is great guy and hires great People like you, but it does not make Him MySQL expert. This is how it become “all but Pythian”.

Again Sorry guys if I insulted you. I would not get into even longer discussion of what I meant and how. Again please understand the phase in original blog post was to keep it correct at my level of understanding and not to say services provided by Pythian are subpar

]]> By: peter http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2008/03/26/mysql-and-sun-oportunity-for-smaller-companies/#comment-266293 peter Sat, 05 Apr 2008 04:26:44 +0000 http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2008/03/26/mysql-and-sun-oportunity-for-smaller-companies/#comment-266293 Sheeri, Sorry. You might have noticed I do plenty of errors when I type. I understand one would not like name misspelled so I went ahead and corrected it. Sorry again. Sheeri,

Sorry. You might have noticed I do plenty of errors when I type. I understand one would not like name misspelled so I went ahead and corrected it. Sorry again.

]]> By: Sheeri Cabral http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2008/03/26/mysql-and-sun-oportunity-for-smaller-companies/#comment-266284 Sheeri Cabral Sat, 05 Apr 2008 03:50:41 +0000 http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2008/03/26/mysql-and-sun-oportunity-for-smaller-companies/#comment-266284 Also, I would appreciate it if you could get my name correct. It's spelled "Sheeri", not "Sherri". I'd hope you'd have paid enough attention to detail to have realized that in the 30 months I've been an active community member. It's usually not a big deal, but I really feel like you have a general lack of respect and an air of superiority about you, and for whatever reason it bothers me that you cannot be bothered to spell my name properly. Also, I would appreciate it if you could get my name correct. It’s spelled “Sheeri”, not “Sherri”. I’d hope you’d have paid enough attention to detail to have realized that in the 30 months I’ve been an active community member. It’s usually not a big deal, but I really feel like you have a general lack of respect and an air of superiority about you, and for whatever reason it bothers me that you cannot be bothered to spell my name properly.

]]> By: Sheeri Cabral http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2008/03/26/mysql-and-sun-oportunity-for-smaller-companies/#comment-266282 Sheeri Cabral Sat, 05 Apr 2008 03:47:10 +0000 http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2008/03/26/mysql-and-sun-oportunity-for-smaller-companies/#comment-266282 Peter, The problem is that you are stating facts that are not correct. Firstly, the structure at Pythian is very flat and cooperative -- if you can't get what you need from one engineer, there are other engineers to help. Secondly, as Paul has stated, in the rare case that you would need to go to the CEO, he *is* well-versed in MySQL. True, he was not a MySQL employee as yourself or Jeremy was, but really you're just being elitist, and that's completely unfair to Pythian. With over 60 DBAs, I can assure you that supporting 3 different databases is not an issue -- there are some DBAs who want to support more than one type of database, and others who don't. I am 100% MySQL, and only work with clients who have MySQL databases. So the leadership is not *diluted* at all, as you imply. You are misinformed and are giving misleading statements. You do not appreciate it when folks make misleading comments about MySQL when they are misinformed, so I'd appreciate it if you could recognize when you make the same, unintentional, mistake. Peter,

The problem is that you are stating facts that are not correct. Firstly, the structure at Pythian is very flat and cooperative — if you can’t get what you need from one engineer, there are other engineers to help. Secondly, as Paul has stated, in the rare case that you would need to go to the CEO, he *is* well-versed in MySQL. True, he was not a MySQL employee as yourself or Jeremy was, but really you’re just being elitist, and that’s completely unfair to Pythian.

With over 60 DBAs, I can assure you that supporting 3 different databases is not an issue — there are some DBAs who want to support more than one type of database, and others who don’t. I am 100% MySQL, and only work with clients who have MySQL databases. So the leadership is not *diluted* at all, as you imply.

You are misinformed and are giving misleading statements. You do not appreciate it when folks make misleading comments about MySQL when they are misinformed, so I’d appreciate it if you could recognize when you make the same, unintentional, mistake.

]]> By: peter http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2008/03/26/mysql-and-sun-oportunity-for-smaller-companies/#comment-266155 peter Fri, 04 Apr 2008 21:05:36 +0000 http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2008/03/26/mysql-and-sun-oportunity-for-smaller-companies/#comment-266155 Paul, Please see above. I am not questioning the level of MySQL knowledge your teams have. This is not the point. I'm speaking about companies rather than MySQL teams in this case. Unless I missed something yourself you're not MySQL expert and MySQL Services were not what your company has started with. I am not saying it is bad I'm simply stating it as a fact. I can see many cases when your business and cross database background is actually a big win. You likely understand business issues better and can speak to larger accounts their own language as well as help them with their cross database installations. In case of Percona, OpenQuery or Proven Scaling you can get very technical talk with CEO itself. Why I _personally_ value it ? Because I dealt with significant amount of companies when I could not get what I need from the engineer and upper level decision makers did not have a technical knowledge to fully understand the problem. Paul,

Please see above. I am not questioning the level of MySQL knowledge your teams have. This is not the point. I’m speaking about companies rather than MySQL teams in this case. Unless I missed something yourself you’re not MySQL expert and MySQL Services were not what your company has started with.

I am not saying it is bad I’m simply stating it as a fact.

I can see many cases when your business and cross database background is actually a big win. You likely understand business issues better and can speak to larger accounts their own language as well as help them with their cross database installations. In case of Percona, OpenQuery or Proven Scaling you can get very technical talk with CEO itself.

Why I _personally_ value it ? Because I dealt with significant amount of companies when I could not get what I need from the engineer and upper level decision makers did not have a technical knowledge to fully understand the problem.

]]> By: peter http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2008/03/26/mysql-and-sun-oportunity-for-smaller-companies/#comment-266151 peter Fri, 04 Apr 2008 20:54:38 +0000 http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2008/03/26/mysql-and-sun-oportunity-for-smaller-companies/#comment-266151 Sheeri, When I wrote this I meant companies rather than Teams. How important is it what the _company_ head is technical and has deep MySQL background ? I think one should decide for himself, same as if it is important for company to be focused on MySQL or support variety of products. Sheeri,

When I wrote this I meant companies rather than Teams. How important is it what the _company_ head is technical and has deep MySQL background ? I think one should decide for himself, same as if it is important for company to be focused on MySQL or support variety of products.

]]> By: Paul Vallee http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2008/03/26/mysql-and-sun-oportunity-for-smaller-companies/#comment-265794 Paul Vallee Fri, 04 Apr 2008 13:53:50 +0000 http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2008/03/26/mysql-and-sun-oportunity-for-smaller-companies/#comment-265794 Hi Peter, I completely agree with your sentiment above. I was pretty jazzed about the sun/mysql deal on day one, and I definitely see that the ecosystem will grow as a result of it, big deals as well as small. So basically, I'm with you on that one. I don't mean to appear defensive, but I do take issue with the idea that Pythian's isn't led by seasoned MySQL leadership. What am I, chopped liver? :-) I hope you don't mind if I share some Pythian trivia to set your mind at ease. Pythian was founded in 1997. If you go to web.archive.org and look up Pythian.com, you will see that I was popularizing an offsite delivery model for database architecture, consulting and infrastructure management before anyone. We literally had to bundle internet connectivity with our offering in order to sign some early deals since most companies did not have Internet at that time. The thing is, this type of delivery model requires a lot of fine-tuning to work well, which I'm sure you are discovering at Percona (or will shortly). So we have a bit of a head start on that piece. Our services for MySQL launched in 2002. I made this decision myself because I have been an open-source advocate since since time immemorial and there was evident customer demand (in 2002 our customer base was predominantly online media, we have diversified a ton since then though). Anyway, 2002 was very early in the MySQL services world, I would go so far to say that there were very few people worldwide who considered themselves MySQL DBAs proper at that time. We were among them. Today, we have 25 customers (out of our total of 110 or so) that are MySQL customers, including all of CBS, Electronic Arts, Forbes Media and Fox Interactive Media as active customers (not to mention VideoEgg, Sling Media, VUDU, ModelMayhem.com and lots of other fun shops you might have heard of). All of those happily paid a Pythian invoice this month. Our two Mysql team leads are Sheeri Cabral (everyone knows Sheeri) and Augusto Bott (while not everyone knows Augusto, he led MySQL infrastructure for Brazil's most heavily trafficked employment portal, Catho Online, before joining us about a year ago. These are not hacks or rookies. These two teams report to one of our service delivery managers, Rob Hamel, who has been doing MySQL architecture at Internet scale since we launched our services in 2002. I would compare this team with confidence team to any in any company worldwide. So I'm not sure exactly what kind of "seasoning" you have in mind when you exclude us. Come on, throw me a bone here Peter. :-) Cheers and best wishes, Paul Hi Peter,

I completely agree with your sentiment above. I was pretty jazzed about the sun/mysql deal on day one, and I definitely see that the ecosystem will grow as a result of it, big deals as well as small. So basically, I’m with you on that one. I don’t mean to appear defensive, but I do take issue with the idea that Pythian’s isn’t led by seasoned MySQL leadership. What am I, chopped liver? :-) I hope you don’t mind if I share some Pythian trivia to set your mind at ease.

Pythian was founded in 1997. If you go to web.archive.org and look up Pythian.com, you will see that I was popularizing an offsite delivery model for database architecture, consulting and infrastructure management before anyone. We literally had to bundle internet connectivity with our offering in order to sign some early deals since most companies did not have Internet at that time. The thing is, this type of delivery model requires a lot of fine-tuning to work well, which I’m sure you are discovering at Percona (or will shortly). So we have a bit of a head start on that piece.

Our services for MySQL launched in 2002. I made this decision myself because I have been an open-source advocate since since time immemorial and there was evident customer demand (in 2002 our customer base was predominantly online media, we have diversified a ton since then though). Anyway, 2002 was very early in the MySQL services world, I would go so far to say that there were very few people worldwide who considered themselves MySQL DBAs proper at that time. We were among them.

Today, we have 25 customers (out of our total of 110 or so) that are MySQL customers, including all of CBS, Electronic Arts, Forbes Media and Fox Interactive Media as active customers (not to mention VideoEgg, Sling Media, VUDU, ModelMayhem.com and lots of other fun shops you might have heard of). All of those happily paid a Pythian invoice this month.

Our two Mysql team leads are Sheeri Cabral (everyone knows Sheeri) and Augusto Bott (while not everyone knows Augusto, he led MySQL infrastructure for Brazil’s most heavily trafficked employment portal, Catho Online, before joining us about a year ago. These are not hacks or rookies.

These two teams report to one of our service delivery managers, Rob Hamel, who has been doing MySQL architecture at Internet scale since we launched our services in 2002. I would compare this team with confidence team to any in any company worldwide.

So I’m not sure exactly what kind of “seasoning” you have in mind when you exclude us. Come on, throw me a bone here Peter. :-)

Cheers and best wishes,

Paul

]]> By: Sheeri http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2008/03/26/mysql-and-sun-oportunity-for-smaller-companies/#comment-265767 Sheeri Fri, 04 Apr 2008 13:16:52 +0000 http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2008/03/26/mysql-and-sun-oportunity-for-smaller-companies/#comment-265767 Peter, you say "All by Pythian are also lead by seasoned MySQL experts" Pythian has over 60 DBAs and while there are many seasoned Oracle experts, I can tell you firsthand that there are seasoned MySQL and SQL Server experts as well. The teams that support MySQL are led by seasoned MySQL experts. Peter, you say “All by Pythian are also lead by seasoned MySQL experts”

Pythian has over 60 DBAs and while there are many seasoned Oracle experts, I can tell you firsthand that there are seasoned MySQL and SQL Server experts as well. The teams that support MySQL are led by seasoned MySQL experts.

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