Comments on: Partially OpenSourced http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2008/04/15/partially-opensourced/ Everything about MySQL Performance Thu, 28 Aug 2008 00:27:12 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Garreth Weldon http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2008/04/15/partially-opensourced/#comment-284292 Garreth Weldon Mon, 21 Apr 2008 09:19:39 +0000 http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2008/04/15/partially-opensourced/#comment-284292 When MySQL introduced MySQL Network, we saw the first closed source software ("the virtual dba") from MySQL. Now MySQL Enterprise becomes closed source. You know why MySQL is doing this? To make money. Simpel. Making money with services around an open source product is tough: everybody can do this. People from Yahoo and Google offer MySQL performance & tuning consulting for $100. That's something different than a 3-day performance & tuning gig from MySQL for $6.000. As MySQL is being used in no-so-mission-critical systems, there's no need to buy support services from them. So, how to make money with MySQL? Offer features for money, and make it a little-bit closed source....like a little bit pregnant.... If you need enterprise features from an open source database, look for Postgres or Ingres. When MySQL introduced MySQL Network, we saw the first closed source software (”the virtual dba”) from MySQL.
Now MySQL Enterprise becomes closed source.
You know why MySQL is doing this?
To make money. Simpel.
Making money with services around an open source product is tough: everybody can do this.
People from Yahoo and Google offer MySQL performance & tuning consulting for $100.
That’s something different than a 3-day performance & tuning gig from MySQL for $6.000.
As MySQL is being used in no-so-mission-critical systems, there’s no need to buy support services from them.

So, how to make money with MySQL?
Offer features for money, and make it a little-bit closed source….like a little bit pregnant….
If you need enterprise features from an open source database, look for Postgres or Ingres.

]]> By: Log Buffer #93: a Carnival of the Vanities for DBAs http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2008/04/15/partially-opensourced/#comment-281503 Log Buffer #93: a Carnival of the Vanities for DBAs Fri, 18 Apr 2008 17:24:45 +0000 http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2008/04/15/partially-opensourced/#comment-281503 [...] the MySQL Performance Blog, Vadim opines that MySQL is partially open-sourced. Marten, among others, shows up again with a rebutting comment or two. He must be a very busy [...] [...] the MySQL Performance Blog, Vadim opines that MySQL is partially open-sourced. Marten, among others, shows up again with a rebutting comment or two. He must be a very busy [...]

]]> By: topbit http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2008/04/15/partially-opensourced/#comment-281153 topbit Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:51:14 +0000 http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2008/04/15/partially-opensourced/#comment-281153 For me, it's about the enterprise edition having less testing than the community version. It might have more, and shinier features, but they have already released enterprise editions with significant bugs or what would be classed experimental features anywhere else. It's got to be contrasted with RHEL/Fedora - the more experimental stuff goes out to the wider community to help nail down the problems that can only be found by widespread use, and you know when you use some of FC's more experimental features that there may be problems - thats the price to pay for the new toys. When it's settled down, those features get put into RHEL, and businesses know it's going to be stable, since it's already been well tested by a wider community. As the SheBA says at http://jcole.us/blog/archives/2007/05/14/breakdown-in-mysql-enterprise-process/ - Enterprise: more features + less vetting = more breaking And she's not alone in that thread. http://www.xaprb.com/blog/2007/08/12/what-would-make-me-buy-mysql-enterprise/ says much the same, with in depth reasons that match my own. For me, it’s about the enterprise edition having less testing than the community version. It might have more, and shinier features, but they have already released enterprise editions with significant bugs or what would be classed experimental features anywhere else. It’s got to be contrasted with RHEL/Fedora - the more experimental stuff goes out to the wider community to help nail down the problems that can only be found by widespread use, and you know when you use some of FC’s more experimental features that there may be problems - thats the price to pay for the new toys. When it’s settled down, those features get put into RHEL, and businesses know it’s going to be stable, since it’s already been well tested by a wider community.

As the SheBA says at http://jcole.us/blog/archives/2007/05/14/breakdown-in-mysql-enterprise-process/
- Enterprise: more features + less vetting = more breaking
And she’s not alone in that thread.

http://www.xaprb.com/blog/2007/08/12/what-would-make-me-buy-mysql-enterprise/ says much the same, with in depth reasons that match my own.

]]> By: MySQL’s non-GPL adventure | All things Sysadmin http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2008/04/15/partially-opensourced/#comment-281085 MySQL’s non-GPL adventure | All things Sysadmin Fri, 18 Apr 2008 09:29:36 +0000 http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2008/04/15/partially-opensourced/#comment-281085 [...] available to paying Enterprise customers. A lot of people have been writing about it, Jeremy Cole, Vadim Tkachenko and Don MacAskill and they all have valid points in both [...] [...] available to paying Enterprise customers. A lot of people have been writing about it, Jeremy Cole, Vadim Tkachenko and Don MacAskill and they all have valid points in both [...]

]]> By: MySQL reserves features for paying customers | InfoWorld | News | 2008-04-17 | By Eric Lai, Computerworld http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2008/04/15/partially-opensourced/#comment-280608 MySQL reserves features for paying customers | InfoWorld | News | 2008-04-17 | By Eric Lai, Computerworld Thu, 17 Apr 2008 19:16:07 +0000 http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2008/04/15/partially-opensourced/#comment-280608 [...] not MySQL believe in open source? Or just partially believe?" asked Vadim Tkachenko in a blog post. Tkachenko, a former MySQL employee who now works as a consultant at Percona Inc., said that while [...] [...] not MySQL believe in open source? Or just partially believe?” asked Vadim Tkachenko in a blog post. Tkachenko, a former MySQL employee who now works as a consultant at Percona Inc., said that while [...]

]]> By: Ovid http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2008/04/15/partially-opensourced/#comment-280464 Ovid Thu, 17 Apr 2008 16:34:22 +0000 http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2008/04/15/partially-opensourced/#comment-280464 This is great news! We've contemplated switching over to PostgreSQL for a while. Numerous MySQL bugs (always with the promise that it's fixed in $version + 1) have frustrated our ability to to provide robust software. This news has pushed us over the edge. PostgreSQL is not officially supported in-house, but this news is the impetus we've needed to finally reconsider. This is great news! We’ve contemplated switching over to PostgreSQL for a while. Numerous MySQL bugs (always with the promise that it’s fixed in $version + 1) have frustrated our ability to to provide robust software. This news has pushed us over the edge. PostgreSQL is not officially supported in-house, but this news is the impetus we’ve needed to finally reconsider.

]]> By: IT Management » Blog Archive » MySQL Reserves Some Features http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2008/04/15/partially-opensourced/#comment-280056 IT Management » Blog Archive » MySQL Reserves Some Features Thu, 17 Apr 2008 09:14:32 +0000 http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2008/04/15/partially-opensourced/#comment-280056 [...] not MySQL believe in open source? Or just partially believe?” asked Vadim Tkachenko in a blog post. Tkachenko, a former MySQL employee who now works as a consultant at Percona Inc., said that while [...] [...] not MySQL believe in open source? Or just partially believe?” asked Vadim Tkachenko in a blog post. Tkachenko, a former MySQL employee who now works as a consultant at Percona Inc., said that while [...]

]]> By: MySQL reserves features for paying customers; open-source community up in arms · Technologyland News, Education, Headlines,Security, Storage ,Networking, Information on Hardware, Software for Laptops ,Desktops http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2008/04/15/partially-opensourced/#comment-280028 MySQL reserves features for paying customers; open-source community up in arms · Technologyland News, Education, Headlines,Security, Storage ,Networking, Information on Hardware, Software for Laptops ,Desktops Thu, 17 Apr 2008 08:04:32 +0000 http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2008/04/15/partially-opensourced/#comment-280028 [...] not MySQL believe in open source? Or just partially believe?” asked Vadim Tkachenko in a blog post. Tkachenko, a former MySQL employee who now works as a consultant at Percona Inc., said that while [...] [...] not MySQL believe in open source? Or just partially believe?” asked Vadim Tkachenko in a blog post. Tkachenko, a former MySQL employee who now works as a consultant at Percona Inc., said that while [...]

]]> By: Marten Mickos http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2008/04/15/partially-opensourced/#comment-279980 Marten Mickos Thu, 17 Apr 2008 06:07:13 +0000 http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2008/04/15/partially-opensourced/#comment-279980 Vadim, Thx. Good point. I would also hope that someone could make a proposal for a business model that would be better than what we have come up with. We would love to hear if there is one. (Joshua Drake did claim on another blog that he has one, so I need to ask him what he has come up with.) Marten Vadim,

Thx. Good point.

I would also hope that someone could make a proposal for a business model that would be better than what we have come up with. We would love to hear if there is one. (Joshua Drake did claim on another blog that he has one, so I need to ask him what he has come up with.)

Marten

]]> By: Vadim http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2008/04/15/partially-opensourced/#comment-279876 Vadim Thu, 17 Apr 2008 02:33:35 +0000 http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2008/04/15/partially-opensourced/#comment-279876 Marten, Thank you for commenting in our blog, we really appreciate that. You are right we do not need to argue here, I am fully understand MySQL is experimenting with business model, we do that same in our company. The reason I started this discussion is to let you know that a lot of community members do not fully accept what MySQL is going to do, and that maybe important information to make final decision. Marten,

Thank you for commenting in our blog, we really appreciate that.

You are right we do not need to argue here, I am fully understand MySQL is experimenting with business model, we do that same in our company.

The reason I started this discussion is to let you know that a lot of community members do not fully accept what MySQL is going to do, and that maybe important information to make final decision.

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