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	<title>Comments on: 128GB or RAM finally got cheap</title>
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		<title>By: Nicolai Plum</title>
		<link>http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2008/08/04/128gb-or-ram-finally-got-cheap/comment-page-1/#comment-496393</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicolai Plum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 18:19:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Sun X4600 (http://www.sun.com/servers/x64/x4600/specs.xml) will take up to 512MB RAM (though you will likely need to put 8 CPUs in it to get enough memory controllers to address all those DIMMs). Commensurately if contributor &quot;Matt&quot; has one with those 8 CPUs, it would be possible for them to install 64 x 4GB DIMMs and get the desired 256MB in 4GB DIMMs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Sun X4600 (<a href="http://www.sun.com/servers/x64/x4600/specs.xml" rel="nofollow">http://www.sun.com/servers/x64/x4600/specs.xml</a>) will take up to 512MB RAM (though you will likely need to put 8 CPUs in it to get enough memory controllers to address all those DIMMs). Commensurately if contributor &#8220;Matt&#8221; has one with those 8 CPUs, it would be possible for them to install 64 x 4GB DIMMs and get the desired 256MB in 4GB DIMMs.</p>
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		<title>By: Tao</title>
		<link>http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2008/08/04/128gb-or-ram-finally-got-cheap/comment-page-1/#comment-362467</link>
		<dc:creator>Tao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 23:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sunfire x4600 is a 8 socket 8 dimms per socket Barcelona opteron system.  It will fit 256gb ram on 64 total simms</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sunfire x4600 is a 8 socket 8 dimms per socket Barcelona opteron system.  It will fit 256gb ram on 64 total simms</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2008/08/04/128gb-or-ram-finally-got-cheap/comment-page-1/#comment-351310</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 22:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have two of the big Dells and mostly love them, so far at least. Don&#039;t know what we&#039;d do without them. Memory I/O is no issue, everything is very fast to our surprise.

We have encountered some issues with swapping when all 128G is filled (we do this a lot); the whole system can hang up completely, this may be a disk controller issue.

The big advantage of the Dell is that it will take 128G in 4G sticks. Very few other machines will do this currently. 8G sticks more than double the total cost. I believe it is based on a chassis that Intel produce.

If there was a machine that took 256G in 4G sticks I would buy one tomorrow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have two of the big Dells and mostly love them, so far at least. Don&#8217;t know what we&#8217;d do without them. Memory I/O is no issue, everything is very fast to our surprise.</p>
<p>We have encountered some issues with swapping when all 128G is filled (we do this a lot); the whole system can hang up completely, this may be a disk controller issue.</p>
<p>The big advantage of the Dell is that it will take 128G in 4G sticks. Very few other machines will do this currently. 8G sticks more than double the total cost. I believe it is based on a chassis that Intel produce.</p>
<p>If there was a machine that took 256G in 4G sticks I would buy one tomorrow.</p>
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		<title>By: peter</title>
		<link>http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2008/08/04/128gb-or-ram-finally-got-cheap/comment-page-1/#comment-341380</link>
		<dc:creator>peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 21:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for feedback Clint.  Indeed Innodb has issues depending on workload and it becomes more and more problems as more and more cores are becoming commodity.

Regarding Scale Out - true though Scale Out should allow you to pick the optimal size of the box. For most application this optimal size is pretty large because there is operations/monitoring etc overhead involved with each not to mention space/power concerns which are the often the reason for consolidation.

It on large scale app I would rather have 10 128GB boxes  than   50 of 16GB boxes to deal with :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for feedback Clint.  Indeed Innodb has issues depending on workload and it becomes more and more problems as more and more cores are becoming commodity.</p>
<p>Regarding Scale Out &#8211; true though Scale Out should allow you to pick the optimal size of the box. For most application this optimal size is pretty large because there is operations/monitoring etc overhead involved with each not to mention space/power concerns which are the often the reason for consolidation.</p>
<p>It on large scale app I would rather have 10 128GB boxes  than   50 of 16GB boxes to deal with <img src='http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Clint Byrum</title>
		<link>http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2008/08/04/128gb-or-ram-finally-got-cheap/comment-page-1/#comment-341360</link>
		<dc:creator>Clint Byrum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 20:32:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;ve got a pair of HP DL580 G5 servers in Active/Passive configuration with a similar configuration to the Dell you mention. Two quad core CPU&#039;s and 128GB of RAM (in 16 8GB sticks.. so about $25k instead of $10k). It also has 14 SAS disks in it, with two 512MB Battery Backed Write caches setup in a RAID 5+0 configuration. I have it configured with large_pages and about 80GB in the innodb_buffer_pool. The rest is reserved for temp tables (20GB tmpfs partition) and connections (large buffer sizes are setup).

The only thing we&#039;ve found is that it really will only use 2 - 3 of those 8 cores.. this is probably because of innodb&#039;s threading issues. However.. having that much RAM means *zero* IO bound load. And even when we do need to hit the disks, having that much write cache means that the system never shows more than about 2% &quot;io wait&quot; (and thats 2% of a possible 800%...). If it weren&#039;t for next-key locking in big selects, the system would appear nearly transparent. ;)

Its definitely not ideal. Apps should be designed to scale out. However, in this case, being able to quickly insert many thousands of records per second into one DB, and then have them fan out (via various methods) to the parts of the application that must scale out, means the critical parts of the app can be simpler and (theoretically) have less bugs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;ve got a pair of HP DL580 G5 servers in Active/Passive configuration with a similar configuration to the Dell you mention. Two quad core CPU&#8217;s and 128GB of RAM (in 16 8GB sticks.. so about $25k instead of $10k). It also has 14 SAS disks in it, with two 512MB Battery Backed Write caches setup in a RAID 5+0 configuration. I have it configured with large_pages and about 80GB in the innodb_buffer_pool. The rest is reserved for temp tables (20GB tmpfs partition) and connections (large buffer sizes are setup).</p>
<p>The only thing we&#8217;ve found is that it really will only use 2 &#8211; 3 of those 8 cores.. this is probably because of innodb&#8217;s threading issues. However.. having that much RAM means *zero* IO bound load. And even when we do need to hit the disks, having that much write cache means that the system never shows more than about 2% &#8220;io wait&#8221; (and thats 2% of a possible 800%&#8230;). If it weren&#8217;t for next-key locking in big selects, the system would appear nearly transparent. <img src='http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Its definitely not ideal. Apps should be designed to scale out. However, in this case, being able to quickly insert many thousands of records per second into one DB, and then have them fan out (via various methods) to the parts of the application that must scale out, means the critical parts of the app can be simpler and (theoretically) have less bugs.</p>
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		<title>By: peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 20:35:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honza,

Sure. In world of commodity if Dell has systems everybody has similar systems too.   I note Dell in particular because we deal a lot with Dell hardware and the fact they tend to ship relatively mature platforms.   My experience certain new systems from SuperMicro and Tyan was not always positive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honza,</p>
<p>Sure. In world of commodity if Dell has systems everybody has similar systems too.   I note Dell in particular because we deal a lot with Dell hardware and the fact they tend to ship relatively mature platforms.   My experience certain new systems from SuperMicro and Tyan was not always positive.</p>
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		<title>By: Honza</title>
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		<dc:creator>Honza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 19:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like these, much cheaper than Dells
http://www.supermicro.com/Aplus/system/2U/2041/AS-2041M-32R+.cfm (128gb) 
http://www.supermicro.com/products/system/2U/6025/SYS-6025W-NTR+.cfm  (128gb) 
http://www.supermicro.com/products/system/2U/8025/SYS-8025C-3R.cfm (192gb)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like these, much cheaper than Dells<br />
<a href="http://www.supermicro.com/Aplus/system/2U/2041/AS-2041M-32R+.cfm" rel="nofollow">http://www.supermicro.com/Aplus/system/2U/2041/AS-2041M-32R+.cfm</a> (128gb)<br />
<a href="http://www.supermicro.com/products/system/2U/6025/SYS-6025W-NTR+.cfm" rel="nofollow">http://www.supermicro.com/products/system/2U/6025/SYS-6025W-NTR+.cfm</a>  (128gb)<br />
<a href="http://www.supermicro.com/products/system/2U/8025/SYS-8025C-3R.cfm" rel="nofollow">http://www.supermicro.com/products/system/2U/8025/SYS-8025C-3R.cfm</a> (192gb)</p>
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		<title>By: Nils</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nils</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 17:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are also 8 CPU Opteron boxes (that&#039;s 32 cores!) which support up to 256GB of RAM, but you&#039;ll usually end up at around 45k $, not really commodity but still a lot less than large Sparc or Itanium Boxes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are also 8 CPU Opteron boxes (that&#8217;s 32 cores!) which support up to 256GB of RAM, but you&#8217;ll usually end up at around 45k $, not really commodity but still a lot less than large Sparc or Itanium Boxes.</p>
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		<title>By: Baron Schwartz</title>
		<link>http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2008/08/04/128gb-or-ram-finally-got-cheap/comment-page-1/#comment-340579</link>
		<dc:creator>Baron Schwartz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 16:49:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have seen R900s with 128GB in client installations too.  Unfortunately they are 16-core boxes running a single query at a time ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have seen R900s with 128GB in client installations too.  Unfortunately they are 16-core boxes running a single query at a time <img src='http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 08:38:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>never mind, the way dell offers prices to some customers and not others is confusing! you have to go in via &quot;small and medium business&quot; to get the price.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>never mind, the way dell offers prices to some customers and not others is confusing! you have to go in via &#8220;small and medium business&#8221; to get the price.</p>
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